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Copy of Part of a Letter from the Revd
Mr James Hay, Inverness, June 30. 1750.
together with some Papers anent the
Cruelties in & about Inverness, &c. June 30.
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Copy of foresaid eight Pages in 4toquarto
in the Hand-writing of said Mr
James Hay.
Answers to your Queries.
1st
Margaret Grant a servant Maid in
Town was Commanded by One in the
Habit of a Dragoon to hold his Horse
on the Street, when he went into the
Well-House, and killdkilled, two unarm’dunarmed men who fled 1574 (1574)
fled there for Protection , He was
one Who came first into Town after
the BattelBattle. When Margarat Grant
heard the poor mensmen’s cryescries she run
away from the Horse and at some
distance saw him come out &and1 take
his Horse and go to Mr✝ Hay the
MinistersMinister’s House, where He told He
was a Volunteer from the County
of Cumberland come out to feight
for his Religion and Liberty, &and that
He had a BillotBillet upon that House
for Ministers had alwayesalways good Things—
He had blood upon him, his name
was Rea. The Volunteers being ab-
horrdabhorred And disregard by the Officers
who believdbelieved they did nothing but go
with StorysStories to C—[umberlan]d. That House
was appointed by the Quarter Master
for Others, and Rea being turndturned from
One Bed to another was told by his
Land Lady that she had no more Beds
&and said He was ill rewarded, He re-
ply’dreplied He was so, He had douptdoubt in-
to that affair without thinking, as
many others had done, and was it
to do again they would not get one
for ten, to which she replyedreplied that she
1575
(1575)
she was very glaid; his return was
he believdbelieved that. He would not leave
the House was very oblidgingobliging to the
Family, upon his being desired by
his Land Lady to get a Youth into
the Kirk to see a near Relation
who was PrissonerPrisoner, He went will-
ingly &and orderdordered the Guard to Let
in that youth, The Sogar told Him
he was orderdordered to let all men &and Boys
in, but none out, upon qchwhich Rea pulldpulled
him back &and Said He could not get
in at that time, of qchwhich he advised
his Land Lady, which prevented others
going there, the SogarsSogar's Name can-
not be known.
Town was Commanded by One in the
Habit of a Dragoon to hold his Horse
on the Street, when he went into the
Well-House, and killdkilled, two unarm’dunarmed men who fled 1574 (1574)
fled there for Protection , He was
one Who came first into Town after
the BattelBattle. When Margarat Grant
heard the poor mensmen’s cryescries she run
away from the Horse and at some
distance saw him come out &and1 take
his Horse and go to Mr✝ Hay the
MinistersMinister’s House, where He told He
was a Volunteer from the County
of Cumberland come out to feight
for his Religion and Liberty, &and that
He had a BillotBillet upon that House
for Ministers had alwayesalways good Things—
He had blood upon him, his name
was Rea. The Volunteers being ab-
horrdabhorred And disregard by the Officers
who believdbelieved they did nothing but go
with StorysStories to C—[umberlan]d. That House
was appointed by the Quarter Master
for Others, and Rea being turndturned from
One Bed to another was told by his
Land Lady that she had no more Beds
&and said He was ill rewarded, He re-
ply’dreplied He was so, He had douptdoubt in-
to that affair without thinking, as
many others had done, and was it
to do again they would not get one
for ten, to which she replyedreplied that she
she was very glaid; his return was
he believdbelieved that. He would not leave
the House was very oblidgingobliging to the
Family, upon his being desired by
his Land Lady to get a Youth into
the Kirk to see a near Relation
who was PrissonerPrisoner, He went will-
ingly &and orderdordered the Guard to Let
in that youth, The Sogar told Him
he was orderdordered to let all men &and Boys
in, but none out, upon qchwhich Rea pulldpulled
him back &and Said He could not get
in at that time, of qchwhich he advised
his Land Lady, which prevented others
going there, the SogarsSogar's Name can-
not be known.
2.
The Gentleman killdkilled by the Dra-
goons in Inverness was James Aber-
deen mer+tmerchant in Old AbdAberdeen who had a Wife
&and six Children, It was in Widow Da-
vidsons House, the DragoonsDragoons' names
cannot be known.
goons in Inverness was James Aber-
deen mer+tmerchant in Old AbdAberdeen who had a Wife
&and six Children, It was in Widow Da-
vidsons House, the DragoonsDragoons' names
cannot be known.
3.
I am told Ewan McCay not kay to
be of the McCays of Ha an old tribe
of the McIntoshes from David son, his
FayrsFather’s name is Donald, they Lived in
Lochils Lands.
be of the McCays of Ha an old tribe
of the McIntoshes from David son, his
FayrsFather’s name is Donald, they Lived in
Lochils Lands.
4.
When GrallGeneral Hally commanded that
all the Ports in Town should be shut, that no 1576 (1576)
RebellRebel might escape And that
the meeting House with the Seditious
Preacher2 in the midlemiddle of it should be
burntburned, GrallGeneral Husk said, It was his
Opinion that the meeting House should
be taken down, &and the timber given
to the Ovens, as there was great
scarcity of fireingfiring. When ProvestProvost
Hosack said, they should Mix Mercy
with Judgement, as their Enemies
were now at their mercy, Hally said
Damn the Puppie3 does H pretend to
dictate to Us carry Him away And
another cryedcried kick out, qchwhich Sir RobtRobert
AAdair or Odair did on the Top of the
Stairs with such a force that He did
not touch them till He was at the
End of the first flat.4
all the Ports in Town should be shut, that no 1576 (1576)
RebellRebel might escape And that
the meeting House with the Seditious
Preacher2 in the midlemiddle of it should be
burntburned, GrallGeneral Husk said, It was his
Opinion that the meeting House should
be taken down, &and the timber given
to the Ovens, as there was great
scarcity of fireingfiring. When ProvestProvost
Hosack said, they should Mix Mercy
with Judgement, as their Enemies
were now at their mercy, Hally said
Damn the Puppie3 does H pretend to
dictate to Us carry Him away And
another cryedcried kick out, qchwhich Sir RobtRobert
AAdair or Odair did on the Top of the
Stairs with such a force that He did
not touch them till He was at the
End of the first flat.4
5.
The meeting House was not burntburned but
taken down The Sogars went to Mrs
Hay with the Books, Cups, Flagons,
Paten5 &and Gown, and said they were come
to give Her the first offer of these be-
cause they were her own. she offerdoffered
so much qchwhich they rejected saying their
D:Duke knew they were not to work for
Nought, upon qchwhich she Said, He had ano-
ther Way to pay ymthem, than by her Ef-
fects. In the Mean timeMeantime the Officers
forbadforbade Her to buy ymthem, for they would take 1577 (1577)
take her monymoney &and return for them as
they had done in other places. It
was not known that any Meeting House
or Effects were destroyddestroyed untilluntil they
came into Town.
taken down The Sogars went to Mrs
Hay with the Books, Cups, Flagons,
Paten5 &and Gown, and said they were come
to give Her the first offer of these be-
cause they were her own. she offerdoffered
so much qchwhich they rejected saying their
D:Duke knew they were not to work for
Nought, upon qchwhich she Said, He had ano-
ther Way to pay ymthem, than by her Ef-
fects. In the Mean timeMeantime the Officers
forbadforbade Her to buy ymthem, for they would take 1577 (1577)
take her monymoney &and return for them as
they had done in other places. It
was not known that any Meeting House
or Effects were destroyddestroyed untilluntil they
came into Town.
6.
There can be no exact account got
of the poisondpoisoned Bread, the Gentleman
nor SogarsSogar's name (I mentiondmentioned) can-
not be known, and the Person of
Credit had it only from hearSay
of the poisondpoisoned Bread, the Gentleman
nor SogarsSogar's name (I mentiondmentioned) can-
not be known, and the Person of
Credit had it only from hearSay
7
See the ✝Paper inclosedenclosed.
8
LieutennantLieutenant Hugh Fraser in Bleck-
nys Regement Captain Urguart &and Lieu-
tennatLieutenant Ward in Battero's did all
the good Offices in their power for
the Prisoners I refer this to the X paper.
nys Regement Captain Urguart &and Lieu-
tennatLieutenant Ward in Battero's did all
the good Offices in their power for
the Prisoners I refer this to the X paper.
9
10
Your Conjecture about Belfinly
is right.
is right.
11
The Man who CrawldCrawled from the
field of BattelBattle to the House of Can-
tray was Donald Dallas Cantrays,
LieutennantLieutenant, itsit’s about 2 miles, He hasehas
recoverdrecovered
field of BattelBattle to the House of Can-
tray was Donald Dallas Cantrays,
LieutennantLieutenant, itsit’s about 2 miles, He hasehas
recoverdrecovered
☂12
The Gentleman whose Body was
taken up twenty days after it was coverdcovered
with a LitleLittle Earth was James DallesDallas
of Cantray, a LoyallLoyal, kind, brave young
man, who raisdraised his Company at a great
ExpenceExpense to serve his RoyallRoyal Master.6
taken up twenty days after it was coverdcovered
with a LitleLittle Earth was James DallesDallas
of Cantray, a LoyallLoyal, kind, brave young
man, who raisdraised his Company at a great
ExpenceExpense to serve his RoyallRoyal Master.6
13
The Other was AlexrAlexander McGillevry of Dum-naglass
1578(1578)
naglass who was more than Six weeks
unburied &and without Smell. He was
Coll:Colonel of the Clan ChattonChattan ^i.e. Mackintoshes in this
Country, I may add many have not
produced a finer Youth, Had all ac-
ted the part, that these two Gallant
young Gentlemen did, with Gallish
McBain Major, Angus McIntosh of Far,
AlexrAlexander McGillevry And RobtRobert McGille-
vry all three Captains (who fell
upon the Field) &and the Rest of that Clan,
with some others, that day would have
brought forth other things than it did.
naglass who was more than Six weeks
unburied &and without Smell. He was
Coll:Colonel of the Clan ChattonChattan ^i.e. Mackintoshes in this
Country, I may add many have not
produced a finer Youth, Had all ac-
ted the part, that these two Gallant
young Gentlemen did, with Gallish
McBain Major, Angus McIntosh of Far,
AlexrAlexander McGillevry And RobtRobert McGille-
vry all three Captains (who fell
upon the Field) &and the Rest of that Clan,
with some others, that day would have
brought forth other things than it did.
14
AkexrAlexander Young in Inches, not knowing of
a BattelBattle that day, was with his yok’dyoked
Plough, two miles from the Field of
BattelBattle, who upon seeing the Retreat
advance He went speedily towards
his House, whom Kingstouns Horse
followdfollowed and shot in the Leg, and went
after Him into the House and shot Him
dead and a son about 8 or 9 years of
age they shot also. An Elder son made
his escape, by going into the next Room
&and making a Hole in the Wall savdsaved
Himself The sdsaid AlexrAlexander &and his sonsson's
Corpses were cover’dcovered with Earth near
his House UntillUntil about ChristmassChristmas when
they were taken up And carried to In-
verness to their BurriallBurial place, with-
out any disagreeable Smell. The poor dis-consolate1579(1579)
consolate WidowsWidow's Horses, Cattle, &and Ef-
fects were taken away and she bor-
rowed money to buy some of them back.
a BattelBattle that day, was with his yok’dyoked
Plough, two miles from the Field of
BattelBattle, who upon seeing the Retreat
advance He went speedily towards
his House, whom Kingstouns Horse
followdfollowed and shot in the Leg, and went
after Him into the House and shot Him
dead and a son about 8 or 9 years of
age they shot also. An Elder son made
his escape, by going into the next Room
&and making a Hole in the Wall savdsaved
Himself The sdsaid AlexrAlexander &and his sonsson's
Corpses were cover’dcovered with Earth near
his House UntillUntil about ChristmassChristmas when
they were taken up And carried to In-
verness to their BurriallBurial place, with-
out any disagreeable Smell. The poor dis-consolate1579(1579)
consolate WidowsWidow's Horses, Cattle, &and Ef-
fects were taken away and she bor-
rowed money to buy some of them back.
15
The Gentleman lying on the Ground
wounded was Young Inverallachy, It
was told by the sogars that One Offi-
cer of Distinction &and then another were
orderdordered by C—[umberlan]d to shotshoot that Man
qchwhich they refusing to do C—[umberlan]d inquirdenquired
a Common sogar, if his Gun was
chargdcharged He replying it was. C—[umberlan]d
orderdordered to shotshoot that Man qchwhich he did,
His Corpse LyLie yet on the field of
BattelBattle a place in the opinion of some
of his Friends preferable to the fin-
est BurriallBurial place.
wounded was Young Inverallachy, It
was told by the sogars that One Offi-
cer of Distinction &and then another were
orderdordered by C—[umberlan]d to shotshoot that Man
qchwhich they refusing to do C—[umberlan]d inquirdenquired
a Common sogar, if his Gun was
chargdcharged He replying it was. C—[umberlan]d
orderdordered to shotshoot that Man qchwhich he did,
His Corpse LyLie yet on the field of
BattelBattle a place in the opinion of some
of his Friends preferable to the fin-
est BurriallBurial place.
16
Tis impossible for me to find out
the place qrwhere the Woman in Labour
of Child birth with 9 Others were
burntburned alive, it being in the High-
lands, Coll:Colonel Desaing told it in Banff,
&and thankdthanked God that he was not the
Person who commanded there, And
✝Mr Jo:John Stuart the Presbyterian Teach-
er in Lochaber told that it was
true &and consisted with his knowledge.
the place qrwhere the Woman in Labour
of Child birth with 9 Others were
burntburned alive, it being in the High-
lands, Coll:Colonel Desaing told it in Banff,
&and thankdthanked God that he was not the
Person who commanded there, And
✝Mr Jo:John Stuart the Presbyterian Teach-
er in Lochaber told that it was
true &and consisted with his knowledge.
17
Hugh Fraser &and JasJames his son about 18
years of age &and John McDonald were shot
(qnwhen harrowing) by LockartsLockhart’s party in Glenmoristoun
Glenmoristoun Daldrigan was forced in
a naked Condition to Witness the hang-
ing up the Corpses of the sdsaid three
men by the feet on a Gallows. Old La-
dy Glenmoristoun witness’dwitnessed this, whose
House And all her Effects were burntburned,
the first party that went to Her After
that threatndthreatened to take her plaid &and Nap-
kin from her, but by importunity they
Left them, but the second party took
her Napkin &and the third party her plaid
so she was left destitute of both.
Vol: 8. pag: 1680.
years of age &and John McDonald were shot
(qnwhen harrowing) by LockartsLockhart’s party in Glenmoristoun
✝
1580
(1580)
I my selfmyself heard the said Mr John Stewart
(some time in Summer 1747) declare in general
in the House of My Lady Bruce in Citadel of Leith,
that many strange Cruelties, shocking Things, had
been done by the Red Coats in the Highlands after the
(some time in Summer 1747) declare in general
in the House of My Lady Bruce in Citadel of Leith,
that many strange Cruelties, shocking Things, had
been done by the Red Coats in the Highlands after the
Glenmoristoun Daldrigan was forced in
a naked Condition to Witness the hang-
ing up the Corpses of the sdsaid three
men by the feet on a Gallows. Old La-
dy Glenmoristoun witness’dwitnessed this, whose
House And all her Effects were burntburned,
the first party that went to Her After
that threatndthreatened to take her plaid &and Nap-
kin from her, but by importunity they
Left them, but the second party took
her Napkin &and the third party her plaid
so she was left destitute of both.
18
The above namdnamed Lady says she was
informdinformed that✝ Isoble McDonald in Glen-
moristoun was ravishdravished by some of Major
LockartsLockhart’s party, while her husband A-
lexrAlexander McDonald (Skulking) did see it.
And Kathrin McDonald in Knoidart
big with Child was ravishdravished, with Many
more whose names I cannot get.
informdinformed that✝ Isoble McDonald in Glen-
moristoun was ravishdravished by some of Major
LockartsLockhart’s party, while her husband A-
lexrAlexander McDonald (Skulking) did see it.
And Kathrin McDonald in Knoidart
big with Child was ravishdravished, with Many
more whose names I cannot get.
19
XHugh Fraser who had Mr Chisholm
the Presbyterian Teacher in Kilmorack in
the Aird his protection was shot dead by
LockartsLockhart’s orders, I always mean the fa-
mous Major, And When Mr Chisholm
Spoke to Lockart about Him, He said
he would do so with Him.
the Presbyterian Teacher in Kilmorack in
the Aird his protection was shot dead by
LockartsLockhart’s orders, I always mean the fa-
mous Major, And When Mr Chisholm
Spoke to Lockart about Him, He said
he would do so with Him.
20
The woman brought to Bed, Sunday
before the Battle was Elspet Mcphail
in Gask, her Husband is Donald McIn-
tosh &and the Child born on Sunday is A-lexr,
1581(1581)lexrlexander, qmwhom one of the Dragoons took
by the Leg or thigh and threw it
about his hand not head.
before the Battle was Elspet Mcphail
in Gask, her Husband is Donald McIn-
tosh &and the Child born on Sunday is A-lexr,
after the Battle of Culloden. In Summer
1747 the said Mr John Stewart had come up to
EdrEdinburgh with Keppoch’s Son, a young Boy,7 whom the Dutch-
essDuchess Dowager ^of Gordon had desired to have to give him
his Education.
1747 the said Mr John Stewart had come up to
EdrEdinburgh with Keppoch’s Son, a young Boy,7 whom the Dutch-
essDuchess Dowager ^of Gordon had desired to have to give him
his Education.
by the Leg or thigh and threw it
about his hand not head.
21
Paul Mcbain Near Faillie his
wife Jean Clerk had her nose Slit,
&and head cut, out of qchwhich came seve-
rallseveral Bones, its impossible to get the
OfficersOfficers’ or SogarsSogars’ names for none
durst ask ymthem questions.
wife Jean Clerk had her nose Slit,
&and head cut, out of qchwhich came seve-
rallseveral Bones, its impossible to get the
OfficersOfficers’ or SogarsSogars’ names for none
durst ask ymthem questions.
The women running Races at
Fort Augustus, having no CloathsClothes
but their shirts And women upon
Horses some with short Coats, o-
thers with sogarssogars’ Coats, who by
turning of the stoup8 fell from
the Horses qchwhich was fine diversion
to C—[umberlan]d &and his H—[e]l—[l]ish
followers is a Certain Fact which
many do assert.
Fort Augustus, having no CloathsClothes
but their shirts And women upon
Horses some with short Coats, o-
thers with sogarssogars’ Coats, who by
turning of the stoup8 fell from
the Horses qchwhich was fine diversion
to C—[umberlan]d &and his H—[e]l—[l]ish
followers is a Certain Fact which
many do assert.
Three men of Glenco, going to de-
liver up their Arms at Fort Wil-
liam, were orderdordered by the famous
Caroline scot to be hung over the
Miln-Spout9 with the Ropes of a sal-mon
salmon net qchwhich was done untilluntil
they died.
liver up their Arms at Fort Wil-
liam, were orderdordered by the famous
Caroline scot to be hung over the
Miln-Spout9 with the Ropes of a sal-mon
✝
1582(1582)i:e: James Grant Merchant in Inverness (in
this Vol: pag: 1482) who formerly sent me
a paper in Folio in his own Hand-
Writing.
this Vol: pag: 1482) who formerly sent me
a paper in Folio in his own Hand-
Writing.
Robert Forbes, A: M:
salmon net qchwhich was done untilluntil
they died.
LieutennantLieutenant Parsons in BlythsBlyth’s Re-
gementRegiment travelldtravelled from the One End
of Locherchat to the other &and saw
not Horse, CatleCattle, sheep, Goat, or a-
ny Man or Woman untilluntil he came
to the End of it, where there were
in a HuttHut, Seven dead men, Upon One
saying to Him that these Men
had starvdstarved for want of food, He
answerdanswered no but by holding out
his hand discoverddiscovered it was by shot-
ingshooting them.
gementRegiment travelldtravelled from the One End
of Locherchat to the other &and saw
not Horse, CatleCattle, sheep, Goat, or a-
ny Man or Woman untilluntil he came
to the End of it, where there were
in a HuttHut, Seven dead men, Upon One
saying to Him that these Men
had starvdstarved for want of food, He
answerdanswered no but by holding out
his hand discoverddiscovered it was by shot-
ingshooting them.
AlexrAlexander Thomson GardinerGardener in Culloden
&and William Ross GriveGrieve there de-
clairddeclared that there were sixteen or
seventeen Wounded men taken out
of a Byre at Culloden, by a party of
men Commanded by an Officer to
whom the GriveGrieve Applied for a Young
Boy qmwhom He asserted could not have car-
ried Arms, but the Officer said He
could not leave Him, however He left
Him at last &and the rest were thrown
into carts &and waggonswagons, the persons who
saw this believing the poor wounded
were to be carried to the Town to an
HospitallHospital, saw them taken up to the field 1583 (1583)
field of BatleBattle where they were
all shot, the Officer/ nor sogarssogars'
Names cannot begot known, the
above namdnamed Men May be believed,
as they wishdwished well to C—[umberlan]d
of qmwhom they would not designdlydesignedly
tell a bad thing.
&and William Ross GriveGrieve there de-
clairddeclared that there were sixteen or
seventeen Wounded men taken out
of a Byre at Culloden, by a party of
men Commanded by an Officer to
whom the GriveGrieve Applied for a Young
Boy qmwhom He asserted could not have car-
ried Arms, but the Officer said He
could not leave Him, however He left
Him at last &and the rest were thrown
into carts &and waggonswagons, the persons who
saw this believing the poor wounded
were to be carried to the Town to an
HospitallHospital, saw them taken up to the field 1583 (1583)
field of BatleBattle where they were
all shot, the Officer/ nor sogarssogars'
Names cannot be
above namdnamed Men May be believed,
[
of qmwhom they would not designdlydesignedly
tell a bad thing.
All the wounded on the field of
BatleBattle were killdkilled on the thursday
&and the wounded in Houses were
carried to the field on FrydayFriday
where they were killdkilled.
BatleBattle were killdkilled on the thursday
&and the wounded in Houses were
carried to the field on FrydayFriday
where they were killdkilled.
✝ You are right about John
Fraser, but as I have no Acquain-
tance where He is I cannot an-
swer your queries about Him.
[]
Fraser, but as I have no Acquain-
tance where He is I cannot an-
swer your queries about Him.
Citation
Forbes, Robert. “Replies by Rev. James Hay to Bishop Forbes's queries.” The Lyon in Mourning,
vol. 7,
Adv.MS.32.6.22, fol. 111r–116r. The Lyon in Mourning Project,
edited by Leith Davis, https://lyoninmourning.dhil.lib.sfu.ca/ v07.1573.02.html.
Appendix
As in other items copied from Hay's hand, Forbes replicates a secretary-hand style ampersand.
Most likely meaning Reverend Mr. James Hay.
I.e, a ridiculous puppet (also in English).
I.e., the landing.
Also in English: a dish for the bread of the Eucharist, also used to cover the chalice.
This could be Ranald MacDonald, eighteenth of Keppoch, Keppoch's third son Alexander, or his first son (born through "a secret or irregular union") Angus Ban of Inch (see Clan Donald, vol. 3, pp. 422-23.
I.e., a post marking a point on a racing track.
I.e, "a waterfall used to drive a mill" (meaning I 1(53)).