Narrative of a Conversation with young Glengary. April 9. 1752.
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Narrative of a Conversation with 
                     young Glengary. April 9. 1752.
Forbes
Narrative of a Conversation with young Glengary.
Steuart
Narrative of a conversation with young Glengary, April 9. 1752
Paton
Narrative of a conversation with Alexander MacDonald, younger of Glengary,
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Forbes
Vol. 8, 1707—1711Paton
Vol. 3, 119—121Credits
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pp. 1709-10, someone has pencilled in “ince” where Forbes has “Pr----”.
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| Date | 09 Apr 1752 | 
| Time | |
| Occasion | Dinner | 
| Person (main) | Robert Forbes | 
| Person (main) | Alexander MacDonell, younger of Glengarry | 
| Place | Likely Forbes's house. | 
| Date | 14 Apr 1752 | 
| Time | 9 o'Clock | 
| Occasion | Reading the transcription of the previous conversation aloud. | 
| Person (main) | Robert Forbes | 
| Person (main) | Alexander MacDonell, younger of Glengarry | 
| Place | Young Glengary's Lodgings in Edinburgh | 
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“I read in his Hearing all that is written in the preceeding Narrative, &and he agreed to every single Sentence qre-of.” Possibly the “Abstract” Forbes refers to, which he also delivered at the second meeting, was another remediation.
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Narrative of a Conversation
			
with young Glengary.
Leith, Thursday, April 9th, 1752. A-
lexander Macdonald^MackDonell, younger, of Glen-
gary did me the Honour to dine with
me, when I read in his Hearing Patrick
Grant’s Journal, in this Vol. pag. 1660—
—1703. When I came to the Top of
pag. 1681, he made an Observation, which
was, that, when lately in the High-
lands, the Laird of Glenmoriston had
told him, in presence of the two
Husbands, that Isabel MacDonald^MackDonell
&and Flora MacDonald^MackDonell, after being
ravished, formed a Resolution not
to allow their Husbands to lie with
them, till nine Months should be
expired, lest they should have
been with Child, which Resolution
the Husbands agreed to; but they
happened (luckily) not to fall with
Child by the Ravishing, nor to con-
tract any bad Disease.
			lexander Macdonald^MackDonell, younger, of Glen-
gary did me the Honour to dine with
me, when I read in his Hearing Patrick
Grant’s Journal, in this Vol. pag. 1660—
—1703. When I came to the Top of
pag. 1681, he made an Observation, which
was, that, when lately in the High-
lands, the Laird of Glenmoriston had
told him, in presence of the two
Husbands, that Isabel MacDonald^MackDonell
&and Flora MacDonald^MackDonell, after being
ravished, formed a Resolution not
to allow their Husbands to lie with
them, till nine Months should be
expired, lest they should have
been with Child, which Resolution
the Husbands agreed to; but they
happened (luckily) not to fall with
Child by the Ravishing, nor to con-
tract any bad Disease.
Young Glengary likewise told me,
			
that, some time in the Month of May
1745 he set sail from New-Port-Glasgow,
carrying along with him a PacquetPacket, sub-scribed1708(1708)
scribed+ by several of the Highland
Chiefs, &and desiring the Pr—Prince not to
make an Attempt at that Time with-
out foreign Assistance x ; that he was
actually ^landed in France, &and was in Paris
before the Pr—’sPrince’s setting Sail, &and
that though he had taken Care to
have his being in France, &and the
Business upon which he had come,
communicated to SrSir Thomas Sheri-
dan, in order to find out the Pr—Prince
(who then had thought proper to be
incogincognito) and to be introduced to him;
yet SrSir Thomas would not own where
or how the Pr—Prince was to be found, &and
denied that he knew any Thing at
all about him. In a Word, Glengary
junior laboured in vain to get at
the Pr—Prince, &and could not discover any
Thing about him, till after he had
set Sail for Scotland, &and had dis-
patched a Letter to the King of France,
intimating his having set Sail, which
was the first Notice of his Motions. In
			
			1709
			(1709)
			
In the Course of the Conversation,
I told young Glengary, that I had often-
er than once heard the Viscountess
Dowager of Strathallan tell, that
Lochiel, junior, had refused to raise
a Man, or to make any Appearance,
till the Pr— should give him Se-
curity for the full Value of his E-
state, in the Event of the Attempt
proving abortive. To this young Glen-
gary answered, that it was Fact, &and
that the Pr—Prince himself (after re-
turning to France) had frankly told
him as much, assigning this as
the weighty Reason, why he (the
Pr—Prince had shown so much Zeal
in providing young Lochiel (prefera-
bly to all others) in a Regiment.
“For (said the Pr—Prince) I must do the
“best I can, in my present Circum-
“stances, to keep my Word to Lochiel.”
			that, some time in the Month of May
1745 he set sail from New-Port-Glasgow,
carrying along with him a PacquetPacket, sub-scribed1708(1708)
scribed+ by several of the Highland
Chiefs, &and desiring the Pr—Prince not to
make an Attempt at that Time with-
out foreign Assistance x ; that he was
actually ^landed in France, &and was in Paris
before the Pr—’sPrince’s setting Sail, &and
that though he had taken Care to
have his being in France, &and the
Business upon which he had come,
communicated to SrSir Thomas Sheri-
dan, in order to find out the Pr—Prince
(who then had thought proper to be
incogincognito) and to be introduced to him;
yet SrSir Thomas would not own where
or how the Pr—Prince was to be found, &and
denied that he knew any Thing at
all about him. In a Word, Glengary
junior laboured in vain to get at
the Pr—Prince, &and could not discover any
Thing about him, till after he had
set Sail for Scotland, &and had dis-
patched a Letter to the King of France,
intimating his having set Sail, which
was the first Notice of his Motions. In
+ x See A Letter to the Right HonbleHonourable
			
the Earl of Traquair, particularly my Copy
(at pag. 14^19) bound up with Ruddiman’s
Dissertation upon Logan, &and c. &and his Ani-
madversions on Mr Love’s pamphlet.
Robert Forbes, A: M:
the Earl of Traquair, particularly my Copy
(at pag. 14^19) bound up with Ruddiman’s
Dissertation upon Logan, &and c. &and his Ani-
madversions on Mr Love’s pamphlet.
Robert Forbes, A: M:
In the Course of the Conversation,
I told young Glengary, that I had often-
er than once heard the Viscountess
Dowager of Strathallan tell, that
Lochiel, junior, had refused to raise
a Man, or to make any Appearance,
till the Pr— should give him Se-
curity for the full Value of his E-
state, in the Event of the Attempt
proving abortive. To this young Glen-
gary answered, that it was Fact, &and
that the Pr—Prince himself (after re-
turning to France) had frankly told
him as much, assigning this as
the weighty Reason, why he (the
Pr—Prince had shown so much Zeal
in providing young Lochiel (prefera-
bly to all others) in a Regiment.
“For (said the Pr—Prince) I must do the
“best I can, in my present Circum-
“stances, to keep my Word to Lochiel.”
— Young Glengary told me, moreover,
			
that Lochiel junior (the above Bar-
gain with the Pr—Prince notwithstanding)
insisted upon another Condition before
he would join in the Attempt, which
was, that Glengary Senior should give it 1710 (1710)
it under his Hand to raise his Clan,
&and join the Pr—Prince. Accordingly, Glen-
gary Senior, when applied ^to upon the
Subject, did actually give it un-
der his Hand, that his Clan Should
rise under his own second Son as
Colonel, &and MacDonald^MackDonell of Lochgary
as Lieutenant Colonel. Then in-
deed young Lochiel was gratified
in all his Demands, &and did in-
stantly raise his Clan.
			that Lochiel junior (the above Bar-
gain with the Pr—Prince notwithstanding)
insisted upon another Condition before
he would join in the Attempt, which
was, that Glengary Senior should give it 1710 (1710)
it under his Hand to raise his Clan,
&and join the Pr—Prince. Accordingly, Glen-
gary Senior, when applied ^to upon the
Subject, did actually give it un-
der his Hand, that his Clan Should
rise under his own second Son as
Colonel, &and MacDonald^MackDonell of Lochgary
as Lieutenant Colonel. Then in-
deed young Lochiel was gratified
in all his Demands, &and did in-
stantly raise his Clan.
Glengary junior likewise assured
			
me, that Cluny Macpherson, junior,
made the same Agreement with
the Pr—Prince, before he would join in
the Attempt with his Following, as
young Lochiel had done, viz, to
have Security from the Pr—Prince for yethe
full Value of his Estate, left the
Expedition should prove unsuccess-
ful, which the Pr—Prince accordingly
consented unto, &and gave Security
to said Cluny MacPherson, junior,
for the full Value of his Estate.
 
			me, that Cluny Macpherson, junior,
made the same Agreement with
the Pr—Prince, before he would join in
the Attempt with his Following, as
young Lochiel had done, viz, to
have Security from the Pr—Prince for yethe
full Value of his Estate, left the
Expedition should prove unsuccess-
ful, which the Pr—Prince accordingly
consented unto, &and gave Security
to said Cluny MacPherson, junior,
for the full Value of his Estate.
Young Glengary declared, that he
			
had this from young Cluny Mac-Pherson’s1711(1711)
Pherson’s own Mouth, as a weighty
Reason why he (Cluny) would not
part with the Money, which the
Pr— had committed to his Care
&and Keeping. )
			had this from young Cluny Mac-Pherson’s1711(1711)
Pherson’s own Mouth, as a weighty
Reason why he (Cluny) would not
part with the Money, which the
Pr— had committed to his Care
&and Keeping. )
Tuesday Morning, April 14th,
			
9 o’ Clock, 1752. I R. F.
waited upon young Glengary
at his own Lodgings in EdrEdinburgh,
when I read in his Hearing
all that is written in the pre-
ceeding Narrative, &and he agreed
to every single Sentence yrethere-
of. At the same Time I de-
livered to him a Copy of an
Abstract, &and c. which he was
very well pleased to have,
&and he promised to furnish me
with some curious papers, &and c.
9 o’ Clock, 1752. I R. F.
waited upon young Glengary
at his own Lodgings in EdrEdinburgh,
when I read in his Hearing
all that is written in the pre-
ceeding Narrative, &and he agreed
to every single Sentence yrethere-
of. At the same Time I de-
livered to him a Copy of an
Abstract, &and c. which he was
very well pleased to have,
&and he promised to furnish me
with some curious papers, &and c.
Robert Forbes, A. M.
Citation
Forbes, Robert. “Narrative of a Conversation with young Glengary.” The Lyon in Mourning, 
                    vol. 8, 
                    Adv.MS.32.6.23, fol. 58r–60r. The Lyon in Mourning Project, 
                    edited by Leith Davis, https://lyoninmourning.dhil.lib.sfu.ca/ v08.1707.01.html.