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| Date | 10 Oct 1748 |
| Person (author) | Lord Tinwald |
| Place | Edinburgh |
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Substance of Lord Tinwald’s
Speech to the Grand Jury,
met at EdrEdinburgh the 10th of OctrOctober,
1748.
He introduced his Speech with ob-
serving, that he had but lately
come to Town, &and so had not had
long Time to prepare himself, &and
that the present State of his Health,
together with his Unacquaintedness
with the Matters that were now to
be the Subject of Enquiry by the
Grand Jury, made him in may Re-
spects perhaps unable to perform
his Duty in opening the Charge to
them. However, as his Brethren
had done him the Honour to chusechoose
him their Præses, it was incumbent
on him to explain to them such
Things, as were proper &and necessary
for them to be made acquainted
with. And then he began with ob-
serving, that the Occasion of their
being met together this Day was
a very solemn one, viz, To enquire
into all Treasons &and Misprisions of 1110 (1110)
of Treasons, that had been lately
committed against his Majesty, &and that
it was a particular Pleasure &and Re-
lief to him, to find so many Men
of Honour &and Probity upon this Jury,
who were of known Affection to his
Majesty’s Government, &and Attachment
to the Protestant Religion. After this
he took Notice of the many Bless-
ings we had &and did enjoy at present
under his Majesty’s mild &and gentle
Administration, who had always
shown a tender Regard to preserve
the Laws &and enforce their Exec^ution.
Notwithstanding which Happiness, at
a Time when we were at War wtwith
our natural Enemies, &and struggling
with all the Difficulties attending
thereon, a Rebellion broke out in
this Country, ^headed by the Pretender’s eldest son, the Particulars of which
it was needless for him to enume-
rate, as all of them were still
fresh in their Memory. However, se-
veral Battles were fought, &and many
of his Majesty’s Subjects killed, as
well as several other Acts of Oppres-
sion committed, which had thrown this 1111 (1111)
this Country into the utmost Confu-
sion &and Disorder; all which had
raised a melancholy Prospect in
the Minds of all Persons well af-
fected to his Majesty’s Govern-
ment, as thereby the certain Pro-
spect of a popish Prince &and ar-
britrary Government would have
necessarily followed had the Re-
bellion been attended with Success;
but the Divine Providence had mer-
cifully interposed to free us from
such Evils, by raising up his Roy-
al Highness, the Duke of Cum-
berland, as an Instrument under
God to crush such a vile attempt.
That therefore Punishment be-
came necessary to chastise such
as had been accessoryaccessory to these
Evils brought on their Country;
&and that after some Examples
had been made, which was ne-
cessary to satisfiesatisfy Justice, His Ma-
jesty was pleased to grant a
most gracious Act of Indemnity,
whereby all concerned were par-doned1112(1112)
doned, excepting such as had ap-
peared to be most guilty, &and there-
fore least merited a pardon;
And that, notwithstanding this In-
demnity, a bad Return had been
made by many of these deluded
People, &and even by those who had
reaped the Benefit thereof. In
these Circumstances the Govern-
ment considered it as their Duty
to show these deluded People,
that they would not allow such
Crimes as these to go unpunished
or unnoticed, &and that they had re-
solved to present Bills to them
against those that were excepted,
in order to force them to ask Par-
don of the Government for their by-
past Conduct, &and, if this Step was not
now to be taken, they would obtain
their Pardon by an Act of King Wil-
liam the 3dThird, whereby it was sta-
tute that all Treasons should pre-
scribe in three Years; &and that the
present Procedure was designed
only with this View to barrbar those
People
[]
1113
(1113)
serving, that he had but lately
come to Town, &and so had not had
long Time to prepare himself, &and
that the present State of his Health,
together with his Unacquaintedness
with the Matters that were now to
be the Subject of Enquiry by the
Grand Jury, made him in may Re-
spects perhaps unable to perform
his Duty in opening the Charge to
them. However, as his Brethren
had done him the Honour to chusechoose
him their Præses, it was incumbent
on him to explain to them such
Things, as were proper &and necessary
for them to be made acquainted
with. And then he began with ob-
serving, that the Occasion of their
being met together this Day was
a very solemn one, viz, To enquire
into all Treasons &and Misprisions of 1110 (1110)
of Treasons, that had been lately
committed against his Majesty, &and that
it was a particular Pleasure &and Re-
lief to him, to find so many Men
of Honour &and Probity upon this Jury,
who were of known Affection to his
Majesty’s Government, &and Attachment
to the Protestant Religion. After this
he took Notice of the many Bless-
ings we had &and did enjoy at present
under his Majesty’s mild &and gentle
Administration, who had always
shown a tender Regard to preserve
the Laws &and enforce their Exec^ution.
Notwithstanding which Happiness, at
a Time when we were at War wtwith
our natural Enemies, &and struggling
with all the Difficulties attending
thereon, a Rebellion broke out in
this Country, ^headed by the Pretender’s eldest son, the Particulars of which
it was needless for him to enume-
rate, as all of them were still
fresh in their Memory. However, se-
veral Battles were fought, &and many
of his Majesty’s Subjects killed, as
well as several other Acts of Oppres-
sion committed, which had thrown this 1111 (1111)
this Country into the utmost Confu-
sion &and Disorder; all which had
raised a melancholy Prospect in
the Minds of all Persons well af-
fected to his Majesty’s Govern-
ment, as thereby the certain Pro-
spect of a popish Prince &and ar-
britrary Government would have
necessarily followed had the Re-
bellion been attended with Success;
but the Divine Providence had mer-
cifully interposed to free us from
such Evils, by raising up his Roy-
al Highness, the Duke of Cum-
berland, as an Instrument under
God to crush such a vile attempt.
That therefore Punishment be-
came necessary to chastise such
as had been accessoryaccessory to these
Evils brought on their Country;
&and that after some Examples
had been made, which was ne-
cessary to satisfiesatisfy Justice, His Ma-
jesty was pleased to grant a
most gracious Act of Indemnity,
whereby all concerned were par-doned1112(1112)
doned, excepting such as had ap-
peared to be most guilty, &and there-
fore least merited a pardon;
And that, notwithstanding this In-
demnity, a bad Return had been
made by many of these deluded
People, &and even by those who had
reaped the Benefit thereof. In
these Circumstances the Govern-
ment considered it as their Duty
to show these deluded People,
that they would not allow such
Crimes as these to go unpunished
or unnoticed, &and that they had re-
solved to present Bills to them
against those that were excepted,
in order to force them to ask Par-
don of the Government for their by-
past Conduct, &and, if this Step was not
now to be taken, they would obtain
their Pardon by an Act of King Wil-
liam the 3dThird, whereby it was sta-
tute that all Treasons should pre-
scribe in three Years; &and that the
present Procedure was designed
only with this View to barrbar those
People from pleading the Benefit
of that Act, &and that as no further
was at present intended, they could
not complain of this Step as an
Hardship. He farther took Notice,
whatever might be the Motives &and
Considerations influencing the
Government to order this Proc-
dure, it did not seem material
for the Gentlemen of the Jury to
enquire into, since the Oaths they
had taken, &and the Duty they owed
their Country, were Obligations of
a higher Nature than any other.
You are therefore (continued he) to
consider what Accession those Persons,
who are nominatim1 excepted from
the late Act of Indemnity, had to
the late Rebellion, &and against whom
Bills are to be presented, together
with the Proof that Shall be adduced
in Support thereof. — Here he ob-
served the present State of our Trea-
son-Laws, as they now stand, &and
wherein they differed from our Sta-
tutes relating to Treason before the Union; 1114 (1114)
Union; that before that Period his
Majesty’s Advocate had Power to
prosecute any Person, who ap-
peared to be guilty of Treason,
upon a Precognition taken of
the Facts: At which Time several
Complaints were made, that Per-
sons were frequently harassed wtwith
Prosecutions on the Statutes of Law;
but that this was now altered by an
Act of the 7th of Queen Anne,2
whereby the Treason-Laws of Scot-
land were taken away, &and those of
England substituted in their Place;
&and that by the said Laws of England
it was necessary to present Bills
to a Grand Jury, &and a Verdict to be
returned by them before any Person
could be brought to a Trial. He
likewise spoke of several other
Parts of English Law with Re-
spect to Treason, particularly, that
every Treason behoved to be tried
in the County, where it was com-
mitted; &and that this had been so far
altered by an Act of the last Sessi-
on of Parliament,3 that all the Trea-sons1115(1115)
sons, committed in the disarmed Coun-
ties, might be tried in any County
where the Court of Justiciary sat.
He further observed, that it was un-
doubtedly a great Security to yethe Lives
&and Properties of the Subject, that no
Officer or Servant of the Crown
could bring a Prosecution against
any Person, since that Power was
now lodged in the Hands of the
Grand Jury, &and even twelve of them
behoved to concur in finding of
any Bill; &and that it was certainly
a more just &and equitable Law, to allow
such Enquiries to be made in other
Counties than where the Crime was
committed, since thereby disinterest-
ed Juries would be more easily
got, who were not influenced by
Relation or Favour, than if they
had been obliged to sit in these
Counties, where most of the excep-
ted Persons were connected &and relat-
ed. — In the next Place he con-
sidered the Nature of the Evidence,
that ought to govern &and influence
them in their Conduct, &and a Quotati-on1116(1116)
on was mentioned from Lord Chief
Justice Hales, who says, that pro-
bable Evidence is sufficient for a
Jury to return a Verdict finding
a true Bill; that other Lawyers
seemed to require somewhat fur-
ther, by maintaining, that it was
necessary that the Evidence of-
fered to them should be persua-
sive, at the same Time they ge-
nerally agreed in this Doctrine,
that a less accurate Evidence
was necessary before a Grand Ju-
ry, than what ought to be brought
before a Petty One, where any
Person was brought on Trial for
his Life, where only he could
offer his Defences &and be allowed
Council, neither of which were
allowed when the Bills of Indict-
ment were presented to them.
But at the same time he added,
that it was his own Opinion, that
there should be a reasonable Evi-
dence offered to them in Support
of each Bill, although he did not
believe, there was any Necessity in the 1117 (1117)
the present Case for entringentering into
such abstract Questions. Here he
mentioned the Law of Scotland
with Respect to the Manner of lay-
ing the Circumstances of Time in
all Indictments; that with Respect
to the Circumstances of Time it
was likewise necessary, by the Forms
of the Law of England, to charge
in the Bill the Day on which
the Treason was committed, but
that it was not necessary to
prove it; &and that it was likewise
necessary to charge the Place,
where the treasonable Fact was done,
though it was not necessary precise-
ly to prove it, providing by the Proof
it appeared to be committed in yethe
County, within which the Place
charged did lie. He farther ob-
served, from the above Act of K:King
William, that it was necessary that
two Witnesses should concur as
to the same Kind of Treason, al-
though it was not necessary that
they should agree as to the precise
Place or Time; &and therefore two Wit-nesses1118(1118)
nesses deponing against any Person,
as to treasonable Facts committed,
might be conjoined, though they
differed in the Circumstances of
Time &and Place: That a Proof of
Treason, charged to be committed
in Lochabar, might be supported
by a Proof of Treason committed
in any Part of Great Britain,
seeing it was all one Treason,
though carried on in different
Counties. — He concluded with
observing, that it was to be hoped,
that they would have great Re-
gard to the Oath they had taken
to their King &and Country, not to
give any Ground (to the Reproach
of the Country) for saying, that
one Part of the Country had rose
in Rebellion, &and that another
Part of it had perjured them-
selves in order to acquit them.
And, wishing God might assist
them to finish the Work that
they were now to undertake,
he ended. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
of that Act, &and that as no further
was at present intended, they could
not complain of this Step as an
Hardship. He farther took Notice,
whatever might be the Motives &and
Considerations influencing the
Government to order this Proc-
dure, it did not seem material
for the Gentlemen of the Jury to
enquire into, since the Oaths they
had taken, &and the Duty they owed
their Country, were Obligations of
a higher Nature than any other.
You are therefore (continued he) to
consider what Accession those Persons,
who are nominatim1 excepted from
the late Act of Indemnity, had to
the late Rebellion, &and against whom
Bills are to be presented, together
with the Proof that Shall be adduced
in Support thereof. — Here he ob-
served the present State of our Trea-
son-Laws, as they now stand, &and
wherein they differed from our Sta-
tutes relating to Treason before the Union; 1114 (1114)
Union; that before that Period his
Majesty’s Advocate had Power to
prosecute any Person, who ap-
peared to be guilty of Treason,
upon a Precognition taken of
the Facts: At which Time several
Complaints were made, that Per-
sons were frequently harassed wtwith
Prosecutions on the Statutes of Law;
but that this was now altered by an
Act of the 7th of Queen Anne,2
whereby the Treason-Laws of Scot-
land were taken away, &and those of
England substituted in their Place;
&and that by the said Laws of England
it was necessary to present Bills
to a Grand Jury, &and a Verdict to be
returned by them before any Person
could be brought to a Trial. He
likewise spoke of several other
Parts of English Law with Re-
spect to Treason, particularly, that
every Treason behoved to be tried
in the County, where it was com-
mitted; &and that this had been so far
altered by an Act of the last Sessi-
on of Parliament,3 that all the Trea-sons1115(1115)
sons, committed in the disarmed Coun-
ties, might be tried in any County
where the Court of Justiciary sat.
He further observed, that it was un-
doubtedly a great Security to yethe Lives
&and Properties of the Subject, that no
Officer or Servant of the Crown
could bring a Prosecution against
any Person, since that Power was
now lodged in the Hands of the
Grand Jury, &and even twelve of them
behoved to concur in finding of
any Bill; &and that it was certainly
a more just &and equitable Law, to allow
such Enquiries to be made in other
Counties than where the Crime was
committed, since thereby disinterest-
ed Juries would be more easily
got, who were not influenced by
Relation or Favour, than if they
had been obliged to sit in these
Counties, where most of the excep-
ted Persons were connected &and relat-
ed. — In the next Place he con-
sidered the Nature of the Evidence,
that ought to govern &and influence
them in their Conduct, &and a Quotati-on1116(1116)
on was mentioned from Lord Chief
Justice Hales, who says, that pro-
bable Evidence is sufficient for a
Jury to return a Verdict finding
a true Bill; that other Lawyers
seemed to require somewhat fur-
ther, by maintaining, that it was
necessary that the Evidence of-
fered to them should be persua-
sive, at the same Time they ge-
nerally agreed in this Doctrine,
that a less accurate Evidence
was necessary before a Grand Ju-
ry, than what ought to be brought
before a Petty One, where any
Person was brought on Trial for
his Life, where only he could
offer his Defences &and be allowed
Council, neither of which were
allowed when the Bills of Indict-
ment were presented to them.
But at the same time he added,
that it was his own Opinion, that
there should be a reasonable Evi-
dence offered to them in Support
of each Bill, although he did not
believe, there was any Necessity in the 1117 (1117)
the present Case for entringentering into
such abstract Questions. Here he
mentioned the Law of Scotland
with Respect to the Manner of lay-
ing the Circumstances of Time in
all Indictments; that with Respect
to the Circumstances of Time it
was likewise necessary, by the Forms
of the Law of England, to charge
in the Bill the Day on which
the Treason was committed, but
that it was not necessary to
prove it; &and that it was likewise
necessary to charge the Place,
where the treasonable Fact was done,
though it was not necessary precise-
ly to prove it, providing by the Proof
it appeared to be committed in yethe
County, within which the Place
charged did lie. He farther ob-
served, from the above Act of K:King
William, that it was necessary that
two Witnesses should concur as
to the same Kind of Treason, al-
though it was not necessary that
they should agree as to the precise
Place or Time; &and therefore two Wit-nesses1118(1118)
nesses deponing against any Person,
as to treasonable Facts committed,
might be conjoined, though they
differed in the Circumstances of
Time &and Place: That a Proof of
Treason, charged to be committed
in Lochabar, might be supported
by a Proof of Treason committed
in any Part of Great Britain,
seeing it was all one Treason,
though carried on in different
Counties. — He concluded with
observing, that it was to be hoped,
that they would have great Re-
gard to the Oath they had taken
to their King &and Country, not to
give any Ground (to the Reproach
of the Country) for saying, that
one Part of the Country had rose
in Rebellion, &and that another
Part of it had perjured them-
selves in order to acquit them.
And, wishing God might assist
them to finish the Work that
they were now to undertake,
he ended. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
N: B: it was observed by those, qowho were
present, that Lord Tinwald made se-veral1119(1119)
veral Hesitations &and Stammerings
in delivering his Speech to the
Grand Jury; insomuch that they
were afraid his Lordship would
have fallen through it altogether.
This same Charles Erskine of Tinwald
was once as flaming a Jacobite as any oneanyone
whatsoever. He was deeply engaged in 1708,
&and 1715. insomuch that he had a Meeting at
the Hague with his own Brother, Dr Erskine,
Physician to Czar Peter the Great, im-
portuning him (the Doctor) to use all his
Endeavours with the Czar not to act of-
fensively agtagainst Charles of Sweden, so long
as he should be acting for the Chevalier;
in which the Dr proved ^so successful, ytthat yethe
Czar said, he wdwould not only do no hurt to Charles,
but also take Care of his Dominions, while
he sdshould be doing for James. After yethe Affair of
Glenshiel,5 the Chevalier writ to his FrdsFriends
in, &c.etc. complaining, ytthat in all yethe Attempts
yrethere was one great Want, viz, ytthat yrethere was neyrneither
a Magazine of arms nor Money to purchase
such a ygthing for his Service, qnwhen OpportyOpportunity sdshould offer;
&and yreforetherefore advising, ytthat a Sum sdshould be raised, &and
deposited in a proper Hand. Accordingly the
Scheme was complied with, &and yethe ynthen Earl of Eglin-
ton gave 600 £ sterlsterling. Dame Magdalen Scott
Lady Bruce gave 100 £ ststerling. &cetc, &cetc, &cetc. and all yethe
MoeMoney was deposited in yethe hands of said Charles
Erskine; &and very many affirm strongly to ysthis day, ytthat he
kept for sweet self 1500 £. sterl.sterling of said Money,
qnwhen making AcctAccount of it. — Mr David Kennedy BroyrBrother
to yethe Countess of Eglinton) &and yethe above Lady Bruce,
not to name oyrsothers, were my particular Informers.
present, that Lord Tinwald made se-veral1119(1119)
Juxta se posita magis elucescunt.4
veral Hesitations &and Stammerings
in delivering his Speech to the
Grand Jury; insomuch that they
were afraid his Lordship would
have fallen through it altogether.
This same Charles Erskine of Tinwald
was once as flaming a Jacobite as any oneanyone
whatsoever. He was deeply engaged in 1708,
&and 1715. insomuch that he had a Meeting at
the Hague with his own Brother, Dr Erskine,
Physician to Czar Peter the Great, im-
portuning him (the Doctor) to use all his
Endeavours with the Czar not to act of-
fensively agtagainst Charles of Sweden, so long
as he should be acting for the Chevalier;
in which the Dr proved ^so successful, ytthat yethe
Czar said, he wdwould not only do no hurt to Charles,
but also take Care of his Dominions, while
he sdshould be doing for James. After yethe Affair of
Glenshiel,5 the Chevalier writ to his FrdsFriends
in, &c.etc. complaining, ytthat in all yethe Attempts
yrethere was one great Want, viz, ytthat yrethere was neyrneither
a Magazine of arms nor Money to purchase
such a ygthing for his Service, qnwhen OpportyOpportunity sdshould offer;
&and yreforetherefore advising, ytthat a Sum sdshould be raised, &and
deposited in a proper Hand. Accordingly the
Scheme was complied with, &and yethe ynthen Earl of Eglin-
ton gave 600 £ sterlsterling. Dame Magdalen Scott
Lady Bruce gave 100 £ ststerling. &cetc, &cetc, &cetc. and all yethe
MoeMoney was deposited in yethe hands of said Charles
Erskine; &and very many affirm strongly to ysthis day, ytthat he
kept for sweet self 1500 £. sterl.sterling of said Money,
qnwhen making AcctAccount of it. — Mr David Kennedy BroyrBrother
to yethe Countess of Eglinton) &and yethe above Lady Bruce,
not to name oyrsothers, were my particular Informers.
Robert Forbes, A:M:
Citation
Forbes, Robert. “Substance of Lord Tinwald's Speech to the Grand Jury met at Edinburgh October 10. 1748.” The Lyon in Mourning,
vol. 5,
Adv.MS.32.6.20, fol. 123r–6r. The Lyon in Mourning Project,
edited by Leith Davis, https://lyoninmourning.dhil.lib.sfu.ca/ v05.1109.01.html.
Appendix
Latin for "in particular."
I.e. the seventh year of Anne's reign. Specifically: The Treason Act of 1708.
Latin: "They shine more brightly when they are placed next to each other."
I.e. the Battle of 1719.