What is your Employment?

I have a little Estate of my own.

Do you know any Thinganything about the Earl
of Kelly?

I do not particularly know that Man;
but I saw at Perth a Person called
the Earl of Kelly.

What did you see him do there?

I saw him drunk in the Streets, &and in
the Coffee-house forcing People to
play with him at Back-gamonBackgammon, but could
get none.

Do you know WmWilliam, Viscount Strathallan?

I do not know whether William or James
be his Name, nor never ^saw such a Man till
I was brought before him at Perth, &and af-
terwards committed to Prison by his Or-
ders, as I heard; but I did ^not see him give yethe
Orders.

Had he highland CloathsClothes on &and a white
Cockade?

I am sure, he had not highland CloathsClothes
on; &and as to a white Cockade, I am not posi-
tive whether or not.

Why did they commit you to Prison?

They told me no Reason nor Law for it,

Withdraw, Sir.

Did you not believe Perth to be in yethe hands
of the Rebels, or in their Possession then?

The Inhabitants &and Burgesses were in their
own houses for any thinganything I know; but there
were a great many Men in highland CloathsClothes
going &and coming to &and from the Place, while
I was a Prisoner.

What time was you Prisoner there?

About Christmas last.

Do you know Lord Elcho?

Very well.

Where did you see him?

At Dunrobin in the Earl of Sutherland’s
House some Years ago.

But I ask you, did you see him among the
Rebels?

I never saw him since he was at Dunrobin.

Do you know William Drummond, eldest Son
to the Viscount of Strathallan?

I do not.

Did you see Simon Fraser, Master of Lovat,
there?

I know very little about him.

Little as it is, let me hear it.

As to the Person called the Master of Lovat,
I never saw him before I came to Perth. But a 1766 (1766)
a Friend of mine told me, he would in-
terceedintercede with the Master to get me en-
larged. And when I was set at Liberty,
I addressed a young Lad in the Streets,
&and thanked him; but I do not affirm that
Person to be the Master of Lovat.

What said that Person to you?

He said, I was welcome.

Had he Arms on?

I cannot condescend on any Arms but a
CutlaceCutlass by his side.

Was the MrMaster of Lovat at the Head of the
Frasers?

He is not their Head, till his Father
die; for My Lord Lovat is their Head
or Chief. It is true, he is My Lord’s el-
dest Son.

Were not the Frasers at Perth, when you
were there?

Indeed I believe, there might be Frasers
there.

But you seem to have a Doubt, That the
Master of Lovat was the Person you thank-
ed for your Liberty. And how could you
address such a person, when you are not
certain it was he?

Would not your Honour thank a Person had
done you a good Office, although you was
not acquainted with him?

Do you know the Duke of Perth?

I do not; but I saw a Person called the Duke
of Perth at Stirling, but would not know
him if I saw him again.

Do you know James Graham of Duntroon,
now Viscount of Dundee?

I know nothing about him

Did you see Lord Nairn?

I saw a Chaise pass by Down, &and I heard
Lord Nairn was in the same.

Did you see Lord Ogilvy?

I saw a person called Lord Ogilvy at Stir-
ling; but if he was here now, otherwise dres-
sed than what he was there, I would not
know him.

Did you see Lord Lewis Gordon?

When I was on my Way South towards A-
berdeen, six Miles on this Side of Huntly,
there came a party of armed Men, &and carri-
ed me back with them towards Huntly on
the Sabbath-day, which was very stormy.

To whom did these Men belong?

They told me, I would be obliged to wait till
the Lord Lieutenant came from Aberdeen.
So I was kept there twelve Days, but
met with civil treatment, &and was honoured
every Night with a Couple of CentinelsSentinels on
my Lodging.

Who was this Lord Lieutenant?

After I was kept twelve Days, or thereby, at
Huntly, I was carried one Night to the Castle
of Huntly by six armed Men, &and brought into
a Room, where there was a person, called
Lord Lewis Gordon (whether he was actual-
ly that person I cannot say); but he &and those
about him took an Obligation of me, a Copy
whereof they gave me attested. This Copy I 1768 (1768)
I gave in to the Lord Justice Clerk, when
I was carried before him at EdrEdinburgh.

What was the Import of that Obligation?

So far as I mind, the Import of it was, that
I should not carry Arms against them for
six Months.

Against whom?

They worded it as they pleased. I think,
it was against the King or Prince.

Did you understand their Meaning to be by
that King &and Prince, the Pretender &and his Son?

I make no doubt of that.

Did they advise you to join in yrtheir Service?

They thought their Labour would be in
vain; so gave me no trouble that way.

What do you know of Lord John Drummond?

I saw a Man at Perth, called Lord John
Drummond, &and also at Aberdeen. Whether
he was Lord or Laird I cannot be positive.

What CloathsClothes had he on?

He had a short blue Coat trimmed wtwith silver
&and a blue Bonnet on.

Did you never see him give any Orders
to the Rebels?

I never did.

Did not he sign a Declaration of War
against his Majesty?

So he might unknown to me.

Recollect your selfyourself as to this Declarao—nDeclaration.

I saw a Declaration in print at Aberdeen,
&and John Drummond printed at it; but whe-
ther he sign’dsigned it or not I can’t tell.

Did you see SrSir WmWilliam Gordon of Park?

I am not acquainted with that Man.

But did not you see him?

I saw at Stirling a person called Sir
William Gordon.

Did you see that Person do any Acts
of Hostility?

No.

Was Stirling then in possession of the
Rebels?

It was after the Battle of Falkirk.

Was General Blackney ynthen in the Castle?

So they told me. I was never in the
Castle.

Do you know John Murray of Broughton?

No.

Did you see John Gordon of Glenbucket?

Yes.

Where?

In a House in Stirling.

What was he doing?

He was coughing. He is a very old
Man.

Do you know Cameron of Lochiel?

I know none of the Camerons.

Did you see Donald MacDonald
of Clanronald, junior?

I might see him; but I would not
know him by any other Man.

Did you see none of the MacDonalds?

None that I mind now but Lochgary.

Where did you see him?

Going into a House near where I
lodged.

What Commission had he?

I heard, that he was once in Loudon’s
Regiment a Lieutenant.

But don’t you know of any other Commis-
sion he had?

He never shewedshowed me his Co-missionsCommissions.

Did you not hear?

I heard, he was AidAide de Camp to the
Pretender.

Did you see Evan MacPherson of Cluny?

I never did.

What do you know of Lachlan MacLach-
lan of Castle-Lachlan?

Nothing.

What do you know of George Lockheart,
younger of Carnwath?

Very little.

Little as it is, let us hear it.

I was in the prison of Stirling after the
Battle of Falkirk with Major Lock-
heart of Cholmondley’s Regiment,
who was there Prisoner at the same
Time. I saw a young Man speaking
with the Major. And after this Man
parted with him, I asked him, who ytthat
was? He told me, it was young Carn-
wath. I never saw him before nor
since; nor would I know him, if he
was standing here now.

What do you know of Laurence Oli-
phant of Gask?

I am not acquainted nor ever spoke with
him. I heard, he was Deputy-GovernourGovernor of 1771 (1771)
of Perth.

From whom had he his Commission, as
you heard?

From the Lord Strathallan. I never
saw his Commission.

Had he highland CloathsClothes?

The Person shown me out of the Prison-
window, as Gask, had on a laced Hat
&and long CloathsClothes.

Did you see Mr Graham of Airth?

I never saw him.

Did you know John Stewart, common-
ly called Roy?

I have been acquainted with him,
when he was Quarter-master in
some of the Dragoons.

Did you see him among the Rebels?

I saw him at Stirling.

What CloathsClothes had he on?

He goes always very gay. Sometimes
he had highland CloathsClothes, &and othertimesother times
long CloathsClothes on.

What did you see him do?

I saw him in the Streets.

Do you know Monaltery?

No.

Do you know AlexrAlexander Macilvray of
Drumnaglass?

I can’t say, that I know him; for I ne-
ver saw him but once at the Laird
of Macintosh his House of Moyhall
in 1741.

Did you see him in the Rebellion?

I saw a Man, called Drumna-
glass, one night in Perth. I am
not positive if it was him or not;
nor do I think I would know him,
if I saw him again.

Were the Macintoshes at Perth at
that Time?

There was such a Mixture of Peo-
ple, that I could not distinguish
which was which.

But was Drumnaglass at the head
of them?

I’m not positive.

What CloathsClothes had he on?

Highland CloathsClothes.

What Arms had he on?

I cannot condescend on any Arms.

Do you know Lachlan Macintosh,
Merchant in Inverness?

Yes; I am very well acquainted with
him.

Did you see him at Perth?

Yes.

What had he on?

Highland CloathsClothes.

Had he any Arms on?

I know not.

Did he speak to you?

Yes.

What did he say to you?

He kissed, &and saluted me, &and seem’dseemed 1773 (1773)
hurried. He said, he would at great-
er leisure speak &and drink with me.

Are you acquainted with Malcolm
Ross of Pitcalny?

I have seen him.

Where did you see him last?

At the Prison of Perth I wrote a let-
ter to him to come &and see me.

Why did you send for him?

To see if I could be got out of
Prison.

What Interest did you think, he might
have?

As he was my Countryman, I thought
he might assist me.

Did you not know or hear of a Commis-
sion he had?

Yes.

From whom?

From his Majesty. I think, it was
an Ensign in Lord Loudon’s RegimtRegiment.

But you could not imagine, he could
have any Interest that Way at such
a Juncture.

There was a great many Officers in
&and about Perth, when I saw him there;
&and I was applying to every oneeveryone I could
see, being so anxious about my En-
largement.

What CloathsClothes had he on?

He had a blue Frock, a black Wig, &and 1774 (1774)
&and no Arms.

But did not you see him among the Re-
bels?

I saw SrSir Hary Monroe, Captain Mac-
nab, Lieutenant Andrew Sutherland,
&and several Officers in his Majesty’s
Service, walk the Streets among yethe
Highlandmen, as well as Malcolm
Ross.

This Man knows nothing.

Do not the Sutherland-men
wear highland CloathsClothes? And, are they
not loyal to the present Government?

All the Sutherland-men are most
loyal to a Man, for I ought I know;
&and I believe, they gave Proofs of ytthat
lately, &and they all wear highland
CloathsClothes.

I’ll answer Mr Speaker.

Did you not hear those people talk
treasonable expressions, while amongst
them?

I heard them drink the King, Prince &and
Duke’s healths.

It is strange, you know so little of yethe
Rebels, when you was so long amongst
them.

Altho’Although I had the Misfortune to be taken
Prisoner by them, I was not a Spy to pe-
netrate into their Actions, or dive into
their Secrets. Moreover, I never thought, I 1775 (1775)
I was to be examined before this honblehonourable
House till three days ago, that Soli-
citor Sharp caused serve me with a
Writ. And it is not to be imagined,
that a Person like me, who was about
forty Days Prisoner, would know
much about these PeoplesPeople's Transac-
tions.

If you were to torture me to Death, you’ll
get no more of me, &and I told you so,
when you caused charged me before
this House.